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====================================================    Thursday, May 4, 2006
 
FAQ on the New F4 System for All Even Bets by Izak Matatya

Hello everyone,

There were quite a few questions on the New F4 System for all Even Bets announced last week.  In this newsletter, we'll cover them all within the following FAQ:

Q. It looks interesting, as usual, but I'd like to have more of idea on drawdowns and required bankroll and buy-in. This doesn't seem clear to me - maybe Izak can elucidate.

Any comparison of results on baccarat, roulette and craps would also be of interest.

A. Sure,

The system performs so well, that it didn't need the twice session bankroll that I have set up for a lifetime bankroll.

As mentioned in last week's newsletter, there are various set loss limits, that require different bankrolls and have corresponding drawdown amounts.

The required bankroll is determined upon the progression level one would like to go into. At position level 10 (the system purchasers will know what I mean - this is a term used in the system), a session bankroll of 196 units is required. This is an optimized parameter.

This session bankroll is used fully 26 times within the entire 40,008 decisions of Zumma 600 shoes. A loss limit of 196 units is the amount accepted as a loss, should the position level reach that quantity. Despite the 26 abandoned runs, F4 generated above 1500 units for all 600 shoes.

The highest drawdown for this option was 180 units.

Setting the position level to 8 requires only 53 units as a session bankroll. This option generated 600 units for 40,000 decisions. And the highest drawdown did not exceed 60 units.

Full test results are provided with the system purchase.

Proportionally similar results were obtained for all even bet games in Craps, Baccarat and Roulette.

Q. If I understand, two separate bet selections were used in the test/graph. I need to know the results when the first bet selection is played thru the second half and vice versa.

A. When the first bet selection is played through, F4 generates 1983 units.

When the second bet selection is played through all the way, F4 generates 2447 units.

Alternating bet selections do not affect the end result by much.

I just tested a third bet selection (the zig-zag) and it generated 3247 units - minus commissions.

Q. If I read correctly, I could take this to a $1 crap table and only need $53 BR or $106, to be really safe. Correct?

A. Exactly! And at a $5 table, you will need $265 for a buy-in and overall $530. I have yet to experience a back-to-back loss with this system.

Q. One more question. At a 1 unit win per shoe, how long does it take to go through a shoe on average, since I'm not a Baccarat player. Or how many dice decisions does it take to make the 1 unit on average . I'm trying to get at how long does it take to make say a 40 unit profit, on average?

A. F4 doesn't require any tracking. So, you're betting on every hand, every decision, every roll. A shoe consists of 80 hands. Your average profit using the 53 unit session bankroll is 1 unit per shoe, or 1 unit per 80 hands, rolls, decisions.

Using the loss limit of 196 units per session, then your average profit is 2.5 units per 80 decisions.

A Baccarat shoe takes about an hour to play.

Playing 80 decisions in Casino War takes about 10 minutes.

Craps and Roulette are slower, about a minute per roll or spin.

So using the option of 2.5 units average for 80 hands and playing Casino War, you can make 2.5 units every 10 minutes, or it would take 40/2.5 or 16 times 10 minutes or 160 minutes or 2.67 hours to win 40 units at fastest, 5 hours for Baccarat, 10 hours for Craps and Roulette.

Sic-Bo is almost as fast as Casino War.

Q. What happens when you hit a bad run?

A. Making 1 unit a shoe is the average, that is, including losses of 53 unit sessions. So if you have a bad run or a few bad runs, your profit is 1 unit per shoe.

Without losses, looking at the slope of the graphs, you are making 400 units every 2500 decisions or 4 units every 25 decisions or about 1 unit every 6 decisions.

If you play say 5 hours a day and 20 days a month, you will be playing 100 hours per month. If you play 1 shoe per hour, that makes 100 shoes for that month.

If you make 600 units per 600 shoes, you will make 100 units per 100 shoes, losses included. Playing with $25 chips, this makes $2500 a month as a side income.

Q. Izak - on your system page, the IBS2 link says, "the system with the best performance rate". The F4 system sounds incredible, does your 'performance rate' take into consideration the draw-down and bankroll size?  I guess I am asking what is your total definition of performance rate, and in what ways is F4 better than IBS2? Thanks.

A. IBS2 had a limitation of 64 units per session.
F4 has either a 58 unit or 196 unit limit per session.
This is in terms of bankroll differences.

IBS2.1 is still the best system in the market - tested over 1.47 million decisions generated more than 110,000 units. This is what I mean with the best performance rate - the way it holds on the long run.

F4 may differ from IBS2.1 in the fact that it has a flat bet zone, and not always a progression is necessary to complete the run.

Q. Izak, I assume this is a money management system rather than bet selection. Would it be correct to assume you could double your winnings if you played both sides of the bet at the same time? How many losses in a row or how many losses net can the system accept before going bust? On average the system will bust every 23 shoes. What was the closest back to back breaks? If one factors out the losses it appears the system nets about 3.3 units per shoe before losses. Is that about correct? If so it will take about 16 shoes to recover from a loss on the lower progression correct? Thanks.

A. Using differential betting could be a good idea when one is in the progression zone. However, in the flat betting zone, betting on both sides would mean not betting at all, until one side starts losing a lot more than the other side, which boils down to use the progression only minus the flat bet unit of the winning side. So for F4, DB is not a very good option.

The position or progression level is the number of consecutive losses or the number of losses exceeding the number of wins which could make one session go to its limit. And that could be either 8 with 53 unit session or 10 with 196 unit sessions.

There has been no back to back breaks.

If you factor out the losses, you make 1 unit in 6 hands in average, as mentioned above. So, if one loses 53 units in an abandoned session, it would take 53 X 6 or 318 hands to recover this loss or 318/80 or 4 shoes, not 16.

Q. Do you need pencil, paper or can everything be kept in your head?

A. With a little practice, it's not hard to keep everything in your head.

Q. Izak - quick question, in this sentence of your post above, "The required bankroll is determined upon the progression level one would like to go into. At position level 10 (the system purchasers will know what I mean - this is a term used in the system), a session bankroll of 196 units is required. This is an optimized parameter." What does Optimized Parameter mean/refer to? Does it mean that the 196 units required is specific to the Zumma book only? Also, you refer to two bet selections, do you also outline those in this system? The second bet selection numbers look very good. Thank you!

Izak - similar question on your third bet selection (zig-zag) - is that explained? Also, re the 3247 results for that bet selection based on the 197 units? Thanks.

A. Optimized parameter means setting the progression to that level produces the most profits from all other set parameters. And this is not only for Zumma but also for hundreds of tested randomly generated shoes.

Those parameters are bet selection independent. The optimized parameter is valid for any bet selection.

The zig-zag bet selection (betting P B P B or R B R B R, etc.) is simply another random bet selection tried, which generated similar profit levels. The 3247 result is for the optimized parameter of level 10 requiring the session bankroll of 196 units.

Thank you all for your interest in F4.

F4 is at a  low  price of $335.  Make sure to take advantage of this great system at this great price.

Click here to order for an email delivery of the system.  $5 extra is charged for a printout.

Thank you,
Izak Matatya

Wishing you all the best,
Izak

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