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Thursday, May 4, 2006
FAQ on the New F4 System for All Even Bets by Izak Matatya
There were quite a few questions on the New F4
System for all Even Bets announced
last week. In this
newsletter, we'll cover them all within the following FAQ:
Q. It looks interesting, as usual,
but I'd like to have more of idea on drawdowns and required bankroll and
buy-in. This doesn't seem clear to me - maybe Izak can elucidate.
Any comparison of results on baccarat, roulette and craps would also be of
The system performs so well, that it didn't need the twice session bankroll
that I have set up for a lifetime bankroll.
As mentioned in last week's newsletter, there are various set loss limits,
that require different bankrolls and have corresponding drawdown amounts.
The required bankroll is determined upon the progression level one would
like to go into. At position level 10 (the system purchasers will know what
I mean - this is a term used in the system), a session bankroll of 196 units
is required. This is an optimized parameter.
This session bankroll is used fully 26 times within the entire 40,008
decisions of Zumma 600 shoes. A loss limit of 196 units is the amount
accepted as a loss, should the position level reach that quantity. Despite
the 26 abandoned runs, F4 generated above 1500 units for all 600 shoes.
The highest drawdown for this option was 180 units.
Setting the position level to 8 requires only 53 units as a session
bankroll. This option generated 600 units for 40,000 decisions. And the
highest drawdown did not exceed 60 units.
Full test results are provided with the system purchase.
Proportionally similar results were obtained for all even bet games in
Craps, Baccarat and Roulette.
Q. If I understand, two separate bet
selections were used in the test/graph. I need to know the results when the
first bet selection is played thru the second half and vice versa.
A. When the first bet selection is
played through, F4 generates 1983 units.
When the second bet selection is played through all the way, F4 generates
Alternating bet selections do not affect the end result by much.
I just tested a third bet selection (the zig-zag) and it generated 3247
units - minus commissions.
Q. If I read correctly, I could take
this to a $1 crap table and only need $53 BR or $106, to be really safe.
A. Exactly! And at a $5 table, you
will need $265 for a buy-in and overall $530. I have yet to experience a
back-to-back loss with this system.
Q. One more question. At a 1 unit
win per shoe, how long does it take to go through a shoe on average, since
I'm not a Baccarat player. Or how many dice decisions does it take to make
the 1 unit on average . I'm trying to get at how long does it take to make
say a 40 unit profit, on average?
A. F4 doesn't require any tracking.
So, you're betting on every hand, every decision, every roll. A shoe
consists of 80 hands. Your average profit using the 53 unit session bankroll
is 1 unit per shoe, or 1 unit per 80 hands, rolls, decisions.
Using the loss limit of 196 units per session, then your average profit is
2.5 units per 80 decisions.
A Baccarat shoe takes about an hour to play.
Playing 80 decisions in Casino War takes about 10 minutes.
Craps and Roulette are slower, about a minute per roll or spin.
So using the option of 2.5 units average for 80 hands and playing Casino
War, you can make 2.5 units every 10 minutes, or it would take 40/2.5 or 16
times 10 minutes or 160 minutes or 2.67 hours to win 40 units at fastest, 5
hours for Baccarat, 10 hours for Craps and Roulette.
Sic-Bo is almost as fast as Casino War.
Q. What happens when you hit a bad
A. Making 1 unit a shoe is the average, that is, including losses of
53 unit sessions. So if you have a bad run or a few bad runs, your profit is
1 unit per shoe.
Without losses, looking at the slope of the graphs, you are making 400 units
every 2500 decisions or 4 units every 25 decisions or about 1 unit every 6
If you play say 5 hours a day and 20 days a month, you will be playing 100
hours per month. If you play 1 shoe per hour, that makes 100 shoes for that
If you make 600 units per 600 shoes, you will make 100 units per 100 shoes,
losses included. Playing with $25 chips, this makes $2500 a month as a side
Q. Izak - on your system page, the
IBS2 link says, "the system with the best performance
rate". The F4 system sounds incredible, does your 'performance rate' take
into consideration the draw-down and bankroll size? I guess I am
asking what is your total definition of performance rate, and in what ways
is F4 better than IBS2? Thanks.
A. IBS2 had a limitation of 64 units
F4 has either a 58 unit or 196 unit limit per session.
This is in terms of bankroll differences.
IBS2.1 is still the best system in the market - tested over 1.47 million
decisions generated more than 110,000 units. This is what I mean with the
best performance rate - the way it holds on the long run.
F4 may differ from IBS2.1 in the fact that it has a flat bet zone, and not
always a progression is necessary to complete the run.
Q. Izak, I assume this is a money
management system rather than bet selection. Would it be correct to assume
you could double your winnings if you played both sides of the bet at the
same time? How many losses in a row or how many losses net can the system
accept before going bust? On average the system will bust every 23 shoes.
What was the closest back to back breaks? If one factors out the losses it
appears the system nets about 3.3 units per shoe before losses. Is that
about correct? If so it will take about 16 shoes to recover from a loss on
the lower progression correct? Thanks.
A. Using differential betting could
be a good idea when one is in the progression zone. However, in the flat
betting zone, betting on both sides would mean not betting at all, until one
side starts losing a lot more than the other side, which boils down to use
the progression only minus the flat bet unit of the winning side. So for F4,
DB is not a very good option.
The position or progression level is the number of consecutive losses or the
number of losses exceeding the number of wins which could make one session
go to its limit. And that could be either 8 with 53 unit session or 10 with
196 unit sessions.
There has been no back to back breaks.
If you factor out the losses, you make 1 unit in 6 hands in average, as
mentioned above. So, if one loses 53 units in an abandoned session, it would
take 53 X 6 or 318 hands to recover this loss or 318/80 or 4 shoes, not 16.
Q. Do you need pencil, paper or can
everything be kept in your head?
A. With a little practice, it's not
hard to keep everything in your head.
Q. Izak - quick question, in this
sentence of your post above, "The required bankroll is determined upon the
progression level one would like to go into. At position level 10 (the
system purchasers will know what I mean - this is a term used in the
system), a session bankroll of 196 units is required. This is an optimized
parameter." What does Optimized Parameter mean/refer to? Does it mean that
the 196 units required is specific to the Zumma book only? Also, you refer
to two bet selections, do you also outline those in this system? The second
bet selection numbers look very good. Thank you!
Izak - similar question on your third bet selection (zig-zag)
- is that explained? Also, re the 3247 results for that bet selection based
on the 197 units? Thanks.
A. Optimized parameter means setting
the progression to that level produces the most profits from all other set
parameters. And this is not only for Zumma but also for hundreds of tested
randomly generated shoes.
Those parameters are bet selection independent. The optimized parameter is
valid for any bet selection.
The zig-zag bet selection (betting P B P B or R B R B R, etc.) is simply
another random bet selection tried, which generated similar profit levels.
The 3247 result is for the optimized parameter of level 10 requiring the
session bankroll of 196 units.
Thank you all for your interest in F4.
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