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================================================    Thursday, January 22, 2004
 
IBS Applications and Feedback on ITS

Hello everyone,

IBS - the Infallible Baccarat System continues to perform wonderfully.  Not only, it's an excellent system for Baccarat, but its purchasers are finding all kinds of ways to apply it in their favorite games, such as Roulette, Craps and even Sic-Bo.

I have extracted some ideas from the discussion forum from the innovative ways of using IBS and their test results, and I'll present them to you this week.

"Maybe try using IBS MM method on the Hard 6 and/or Hard 8 in Craps...most casinos have minimum bets of $1 on the hardway bets and so I was wondering if maybe that is something that
could be looked at because we could have a bank of 1000 units and it would only be $1000.

Even if nothing works long term (I believe IBS is the closest thing we have seen to having something that works long term), I still think it is a great deal of fun to explore different approaches to
gambling!"

"Ok I am doing some preliminary testing just to get a feel for how this system might work out.

After 4 pages in the Zumma Craps book, which represents roughly 4.91 hours of play, I am up to +254 units. Which comes out to about 51.73 units per hour. Not bad but as we all know,
everything works in the beginning of the Zumma book and gets destroyed towards the end LOL. The largest bet I had to place so far with this would have been 32 units, and I had to place
that twice in a row and then on the 3rd time it was placed, the Hard 6 hit at 9:1 and recovered what I was down, and put me ahead by +254 units.

If I remember right, there is a place in the middle of the Zumma book, that the hard 6 goes to sleep for something like 60 or 70 losses in a row. I will keep testing tonight and update everyone
how it goes."

"I think constantly betting the place 6 or Place 8, even on come out rolls, using the IBS MM is a good idea, even better than just trying to go for the Hardways but the reason I am focusing on
the Hardways at this time is my local casino allows $1 bets on the Hardways and therefore I can afford a 1000 unit bank much easier than trying to afford a 1000 units at the $10 or $12
level"

"OK I am up to the middle of Page 22 and I have made +1019 units of profit. It is looking good. The biggest drawdown I ever had was somewhere over 100 units, and this is using a 1000 unit
bankroll. If one wanted to be even more safer you could use a 5000 unit bankroll and you would be well armed. At this point, if this were real play I would be putting aside MY 1000 units and
playing only with casino money, risk-free. But I will march on just to see what happens."

"By the way the IBS on Place 6 looks like it is even better if one has the funds for it...but for now I will keep testing the Hardways Bet using IBS all the way through the Zumma book to see what
the result is."

"Great idea taking off on a tangent like this. Good thinking. You can be encouraged if you somehow manage to get this thing successfully past page 100. Not that it will carry the book but
most systems fail before even reaching that point let alone the last half."

"With that 60 + sleeper looming in the middle have you decided to use a loss limit under the IBS 1000 unit bankroll? Of course if you can maintain that 46 + unit per page you could say
"What me worry"?

"Another update --

End of Page 24, representing 26.98 hours of play, the system has produced +1133 units of profit, or about 42 units of profit per hour."

"I am sure that there is a way that the Field could be combined with the Hard 6/8 and using IBS could make a method that would be very interesting and potentially profitable, after I finish this
method I will look at that idea next..."

"The book has 35,000+ actual casino dice rolls, representing over 300 hours of play at live Las Vegas craps tables. I have been applying normal IBS betting rules, but instead of shooting for
the +1 win I just accept however many units are paid to me when the bet wins, due to the 9:1 payoff on the Hard 6. A friend of mine developed a more conservative version that we are testing
as well, that does not require placing large bet amounts therefore it takes longer to get to the nerve-wracking large unit bets."

"I really haven't played the dice much lately, but I was starting to think there might be advantages to staying at the same table. As you said, when you move to another one you have may have little idea of what has been going on. If you stay at one table you may get a sense of the ebb and flow, and bet only when you think the time is right. This would require some patience and might be a bit tedious for some people."

"It looks like your idea is showing some promise. Here's something else you might want to take a look at : http://members.aol.com/jimferr/Alternate2.html. Go down to Place 6/8 after a seven out. It might require a bigger bankroll than you would like, but it's kind of interesting."

"OK the hard 6 system has finally hit a bad spot in the tester book...I was up by about 1300 units and then hit a losing streak that must have lasted at least 40 in a row...I lost the entire 1300
profit and dipped about 210 units into the imaginary 1000-unit bankroll...then in 2 back-to-back wins it won back the 210 and put me up to +1590 units.  So obviously this bet, (which of course only wins like 10% of the time and is less than the theoretical 26% needed to win) either needs a more conservative version (which we think we may have already) or maybe I should have applied the Split Bet 9 (which I did not)...also I think that using a 5000-unit bank might be better as well.

I am also testing the Place 6 bet on the side, using IBS...I will give another update soon..."

"Here is a neat and quite profitable system for Sixes and Eights:

1. Wait for a 7 to roll, and
2. Wait for a point of 4,5,9, or 10
3. Place bet the 6 and 8 for ( $3.00 or $6.00 or $9.00 or $12.00 or .....)
4. When EITHER number hits, take BOTH down.
5. If the point is made, or five rolls occur without any 6's or 8's, take both bets down, and
6. Wait for another 7 to roll

This system can easily make $10.00 an hour making $3.00 bets or $40.00 per hour with $12.00 bets etc. up to $100.00 with $30.00 bets. The system will win the majority of sessions as played above, but should be greatly enhanced by incorporating IBS. If anyone tests and/or plays this system using IBS, please post the results for all to see."

"I may have found a way to play IBS on the dozens at roulette. I have been playing it like crazy against Hamburg spins I have on file and so far I am winning like crazy. 1 unit for every 2 spins of the wheel.

I'm only betting one dozen at a time using an old pattern recognition systems bet selection method. The wild thing is you don't even have to win back a whole line.

Like say you have something like

3-3-7-7-7-13

You only have to come up +1 unit from your last highest score so you could lose a couple times and make one 13 unit bet win and still come up +1 and rather than having to make the next bet, which would be 7-7-13 = 27 you just start back a 1-0. This looks like it allows you to extend the amount of losses you can take or wins needed depending on how you want to look at it.
Check out this losing sequence that I was able to not only overcome but win big.

LWLLLLLLLWLWLLLLWLLLWWLLLLLWLLLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLWW

I over came the losses with the 2 wins at the end 53L to 13W.

The way I am selecting the bet is by waiting for two events. The first is called normal play or NP. You write out the dozens as they come up and when you see one of them repeat you bet for a repeat and keep betting until you lose.

Dozen
1
2
3
1
2
2 here you would bet for the second dozen to come up again.

The second event is what is called a Pattern repeat or Patter play or PP. That is when you see a dozen skip one time and return again. You bet for the skip return to continue. Like this

1
2
2
3
2 Here you would bet for the 3rd dozen to come up again
3 Here you would bet for the 2nd dozen to come up again

That is all there really is to the pattern recognition if you can really call it that. It hits some long runs of 2,3,4 or more in a row some times. But sometimes it can go a long run without a repeat.

There is one more that is called OP or Odd Play that is when you bet on the 3 odd or third dozen back to repeat. I haven't been working with this one but this is how it works


1
3
2 Here you would bet on the 1st dozen to repeat"

"I ran a test run last night for using IBS with Place 6, and the 1st 2 pages (about 2 hours 15 minutes of play) produced 72 units of profit...I am assuming that the units are $12 each, which actually pay $14 when you win...I don't think I am going to "hard test" the entire book but instead I am going to go through and count the "losing streaks" because I already know how IBS works, so this should be faster, as a matter of fact I should have an idea as to how well (or poorly) it will work by tomorrow night..."

"In order to easily test the place 6 IBS approach, I am simply putting the wins/losses in WLWL format into a Notepad file that way I can print it out and go thru it really quickly, and I will know
by tomorrow night how well Place 6 IBS does.  Then I can focus on the outlined system, which might be even better because you are not exposed to the 7 on the come out roll, from the looks of that system one might not build up large lines either."

"Why not place the 6 & 8 right away on the come out roll? Couldn't it roll as easy as a 7? Do you use a progression if it misses?  You weren't implying to use IBS were you? Keep on Winning..."

"I think we are winning at least 40% of the bets but I'm not sure...at this point I am not running the financials, I am just looking in the book and typing the wins/losses as they occur and then I
will go back and test them. it is much quicker this way. I am almost half done with the book right now. If someone wants to help out by getting started on calculating the financials it would be
greatly appreciated. Otherwise I will post more results tonight."

"This IBS MM is so interesting I wonder if it could also be applied to sports betting, such as Joel Shapiro's MLB results...I saw last year his longest losing streak was something like 7 in a
row so that wouldn't be too shabby. Of course, there is only 1 (maybe 2) games per day with that method so the results across a season might not be that huge but at least it would probably make money...Just an idea..."

"I did maybe a couple hundred decisions with a different bet selection, placing the 6 or 8 just to see how it went. I played as if my wins were only the base unit or units, placing the odds profits aside. Was a bit surprised how fast that $1 on every six adds up. A $24 bet netting 2/3 of a unit.

Made $157 plus $79 in odds profit for a total of $236 with $6 as the base unit. Just a relevant idea as the test was short.

Looks like your results would be relatively simple, for those who do such things, to plug into a computer."

"The results you got in the preliminary testing are awesome. For me, the goal is now to use these 35,000 Craps decisions to see what the worse case scenario might be.  If we see a streak
that wipes out all the profits then of course we have to either adjust the system (by using split bets) or drop the idea and look at something else.

So far I am halfway done with the book and will be posting some more results on here soon."

"PS I tested Joel Shapiro's MLB results using standard IBS and for the season, it made 94 units of profit, but the season ended and there was a 16 unit bet left at the end of the line, so had
there been one more game, it could have gone either way, either winning *at least* (remember, it is betting underdogs, some of which pay up to +200 and beyond!) 16 units...or drawing
down another 16 units so, at least we have a sample for that as well."

"I was testing the Don't Pass and it looked good, no major problems yet, but I decided to start with Place 6 as it produces more results per hour than the Don't Pass.  But that one will be really easy to test once I get the results"

"I am beginning to think the don't pass after pass is even better that baccarat for IBS."

"On the same number of plays where I reach large drawdowns at Baccarat, I don't playing craps. I know I will eventually but it may be much less frequent."

"Well I am at Page 20 in the book and I am at +61 units profit.  Largest bet I had to make was 12 units and the drawdowns are not too bad at all."

"I am up to Shooter Number 478 and I am up 90 units. According to the book, it takes about 40 hours of play to get this far, so that averages about 5.3 units per shooter. If you use a $10 unit
value, that is $900 per week profit if you are able to play 40 hours per week, not too shabby...I will keep testing and lets see what happens..."

"I will be doing the number crunching on PLACE 6 soon but I am getting this one out of the way 1st...and actually the Don't Pass After Pass looks better actually."

"So far, I am at Shooter #895 and I am up +158 units, I think the biggest bet at this point was 16 units."

"Ok in testing, I finally hit a spot where I had to bet a 72 unit bet...not too bad yet but we are finally starting to see some divergence...I am at Shooter 1,166 and I am at +181, so this system will require more than 100 units (as I figured it would) but still looks promising and relatively safer than betting on, say, Baccarat..."

"I like the bet don't pass after 1 pass also , but units won per hour of play is low."

At Shooter 1,166 I am going to say it is somewhere around 85-90 hours of play...looks very safe but maybe that's only because there are not a lot of plays per hour..."

"After I finish this system I will number crunch for the Place 6 and then I will maybe look at Craps Pro (dice counting) using IBS as the MM for that system."

Thanks to all forum participants who contributed in those valuable ideas.  You're welcome to visit the discussion forum and follow the thread: IBS on Hardway Bets and see where it will further lead.

With the aid of powerful computers and excellent programmers, parametric tests are being performed to find the ideal bankroll, split level, no-split, etc. parameters, which yields the best
results for IBS.

So far, for the non-split version, the best bankroll is 1024 units and this results in +3646 units at the end of 600 Zumma shoes. Highest profit reaches +5141 units in Shoe 318 hand 33. Only
8 runs require a larger bankroll than 1024, where the run is abandoned and up to shoe 318 only 1. Average profit per shoe is 6.08.

For the split bet, the best bankroll so far is 700 units. This yields a total of +986 units at the end of the 600 Zumma shoes. Highest profit reaches +2476 units at shoe 369 hand 49. A bankroll higher than 700 units is required 16 times, where the run is abandoned."

More comments on IBS' performance:

"Izak, excellent testing. Kudos for the programmers, good job guys.

It is apparent like I and Mr V. and others have said, that for this type of system, it is better to go with the larger bankroll.

The whole goal of your original premise was to find a betting strategy that beats practically all shoes. I commend that of you, all though it is impossible with the limits set by the casinos combined with the fact that these games are slight negative expectation. All this splitting adaptation is nice to accommodate the smaller bankrolls, however with this type of approach, the whole goal is to grind out profits while overcoming extreme deviations. If you use a smaller bankroll, then you will bust more frequently.  Neither approach is worse than the other, but when you have less of a frequency of busting out, you may achieve a very long string of wins without encounter a bust-out."

"I think you will get the best results by just using a stop loss instead of splitting with the 200 unit stop loss you made a profit of 5000 units and I'm sure if you go down to a 100 stop loss you will still show a nice profit. I just think the splitting technique does no take advantage of the system because you will have times where you will be spending a lot of time trying to recover and may never do so its probably better to accept you losses right away go on to another table and start winning again."

"I want suggest a thing to improve this system:
I think that, for every shoe, you play IBS until you P reach the 26% of decisions. Then stop play till a new shoe. In this way, in EVERY shoe, you can come up as a winner as you can close the run without big bets."

"I agree with you it seems better to just accept your loss. Plus it looks good to lose every once in a while.

And if you can win long term and pull a decent number of units per shoe average what does it matter if you take some losses."

"I like the idea of being able to determine when Player is showing over 30% or the time but I am not sure how to do it soon enough to avoid a large drawdown.

I have thought about stopping my betting after 3 losses and starting it back again after 3 wins or something along those lines."

"To me it looks like maybe the best way to play IBS is to use the 200 units flat out but to stop someplace within the shoe."

"I count player decision, when it's still reaching 20, I close the run and exit the shoe. I'm still making few tests about it; it seems better than playing in a blind way."

So you count player hands and banker and when player is showing less that 3 in 10 you exit the shoe"

So, those were also some variations that players have adapted, all with good success.

IBS is still on special for $100, but not for long.  And it still includes the $298 Reward system for free upon your purchase.  Click here to place your orders.

There was also some feedback from ITS (the Intraday Trade System) purchasers this week.  Since it's been in the market, it has passed all the tests.  Here is the feedback from a happy customer:

"Greetings all,

There's been an amazing lack of any feedback regarding the trading systems of TTS and ITS. I might as well get the ball rolling. Let me begin by saying that the creator of the system
(Edmond Petitjean) answered all the questions I had for him very promptly and courteously...most refreshing. And I had quite a few questions because I used to trade futures and options for
fun 5 years ago.

As you folks may have seen in the ad for ITS, there's a money-back guarantee if you come out behind after 10 consecutive trades on the FTSE100. I purchased the system at the beginning of this month (Jan 2004) and have been studying it for several weeks. Now that I've got a firm grasp of it I decided to paper trade the system going back to July 2, 2004 and paper trading the system through January 6, 2004.

The system performed AMAZINGLY well. From the dates above, the ITS system indicated 15 trades to be taken. I had 14 winners and 1 loser. I did not try to calculate what the actual dollar
figures that would have been for the trades, but my initial guess is that each win would have gotten me between .92 units and .95 units. The losing trade would have lost 1 unit.

Pretty amazing if you ask me. If you follow the system to the letter anybody would have taken the same trades I did...there's no room for "judgment".

Edmond, I salute you. I'm going to make a ton of money with this."

Wishing you all the best,
Until next week,
Izak

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